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Wednesday, September 26th, 2007
10:53 am
New Member
Hello. I lean towards the Egyptian deities such as Bast, Sekhmet, and Ma'at, but do not practice any magic nor have any interest in it. My contact usually is during meditation or prayer. I was not sure if this community was still alive.

Current Mood: curious
Saturday, January 8th, 2005
1:39 am
Hello ladies and gentleman.

Out of curiosity,

What are your views on the existence of a greater being/beings (Gods)?

Current Mood: content
Monday, December 27th, 2004
10:01 am
Okay folks, in my neverending quest to hit people up for their opinions, I have yet another set of questions to propose. I hope they're not considered too off-topic.

What's the importance of polytheists doing charity? I tend to be of the opinion that while many Pagan organizations do charitable things, (donate drygods to the poor, etc.) they do them on an individual basis and not in the name of their religions. Also, charity seems to be not an integral part of religious practice but rather a "nice extra" that will make you a better person but isn't integral to the faith. The pervailing attitude seems to be "theology first, good works second or not necessarily at all." (But I will say that the Kemetic Orthodox have a children's charity organized under their name-- I believe it's udjat.org but I'm not sure-- but whether it's consistently donated to by the KO's or it's just there for the sake of merely having a religious charity under their name I don't know; I hope it's the former. )

I feel that, in the sense that religion is nothing without its gods, theology must cone first. However, I tend to think it's important to do charity as a religious duty for two reasons:

1) Making the world a better place means making it a better place for all people, Pagans included, and I think helping others pleases the gods.

2) Non-Pagans will see that our religions foster good works and helping others, so instead of seeing us as "people who hopefully don't hurt anyone" and tolerating us with gritted teeth, they'll come to see us as "people who devote themselves to good deeds" which is GREAT PR for polytheists. Deeds, after all, are louder than words, and Pagans, who do quite a lot of apologetics with non-Pagans throughout the day, would have to defend their religions much less through arguments if they got together as an organized charity (like "Asatru Children's Charity" or something like that -- I totally made that up, btw.) and donated books to schools or something. It would build their reputations for them.

Here's some more thought-fodder: If specifically Pagan charity orgs were to be developed, it would be best, I think, if they were non-fundraising oriented, because outsiders would think we were just trying to steal money from the community for our "subversive religion." I think it should be focused on stuff that doesn't give the impression of money-laundering, like giving school supplies to needy schools, or cleaning up parks and highways, or canned food drives. And we should do it so that non-Pagans can see us doing it.

All righty. I'm done rambling. *wipes sweat from brow* Let me know what you all think of this.

Current Mood: tired
Wednesday, December 15th, 2004
8:40 pm
Morals are good, aren't they?
Hi! I'm new to this community, and I'm so glad I found it because all the mystick-y magick-y aura-seeing postings on other Pagan lists were starting to creep me out, and I was starting to feel, as a strictly devotional polytheist of the Graeco-Roman persuasion, that I would never find any fellowship on the Web! I wanted to post a couple of questions I've been mulling over in my head, to see what others on this list have to say about them.

1) I've been doing a lot of lurking on various Wiccan/Recon/Pagan LJ communities and websites and I've noticed more than a few discussions in which the idea of "morality" popped up. Most people (especially those from the Wiccan/Neopagan camp) had a problem with it in whatever Judeo-Christian religion they came from and came to polytheism to get away from it. But even though these same people claim to abhor morals, they do in fact adhere to a belief in Right and Wrong (which is what morality basically is). They just define it differently from the monotheists.

I can see why this is, in a sense, because some of the "moral rules" of monotheists can be kind of stupid and petty in the opinion of many polytheists (myself included)-- stuff like "no showing your hair" or "no eating pork" or "no falling in love with the same sex" or "women are inferior to men."

But then to totally reject the idea of morality altogether seems to me a bit odd. I mean, what about doing good for others? Or cultivating self-discipline (i.e. not being a slave to one's emotions)? Or being consciencious about the environment? Aren't those moral things? If they are, then why do polytheists who subscribe to such ideals get squeamish about saying that they're "moral" people? Why is it bad to have a good character?

2) Another thing that I personally take issue with that maybe people here can straighten me out on, is that often I've found in posts on these same communities, is that many polytheists seem to feel that promiscuous sex with anyone, anywhere (as long as it's consentual) is pretty much okay, and that sexual ethics are pretty lax for them. I've never seen the logic there. I'm not a "hold-out-for-marriage" kind of person, but I always felt that you should at least be monogamous with someone you love, where sex means something. I mean, in Wiccan tradition sex is called the "Great Rite," but how is it so special if you do it with everyone you happen to trip over at a club? To me promiscuity is like "mass-produced sex:" it's so easy to get that it loses its worth. It's like "Made-in-China-bought-at-Wal-Mart sex" rather than "custom-made-just-for-you-only sex." But then a lot of people seem to hold tightly to the idea that lots of sex with many partners is a good thing, so maybe there's something there I'm just not seeing. What say you all?

This is my first time posting to a community and I really hope I didn't sound incredibly stupid just now, or piss anybody off. If I did, I'm really sorry!

Current Mood: contemplative
Tuesday, November 30th, 2004
12:40 pm
Hello, I have a confession to make.

I am a mystic.

Yep. I am.

BUT I also have a strong devotional practice and I really really like the idea of reading posts strictly about having a devotional practice so here I am. Look forward to learning here.
Thursday, November 4th, 2004
4:41 am
well, what?
what did y'all do over the weekend? anything different or special from other weekends? enquiring mind wants to know.

"moi" and partner-in-pagan-crime traveled north about 4 hours to enjoy leaf colors, sit inside a huge circle of rock (aka some "real" mountains) and chant (echoes are so kewl!). then we dressed in costume (he was The Leather Priest to my Nun of the Above) and enjoyed the company of an LJ buddy and her friends that included a (gasp!) scavenger hunt. nothing like trying to talk a Domino's delivery shop person into handing you a "signed menu" while dressed as a cane-carrying nun in COMBAT BOOTS. LOL great fun! later our "midnight on the mattress" was a deeply spiritual experience.

so what was YOUR weekend like?

Current Mood: curious
Thursday, October 28th, 2004
8:30 am
science first
i'm excited about this community.

call me skeptic, call me irreverent, but i have a really difficult time taking anyone's word for anything. i like to see real concrete evidence (or at least experience stuff myself) rather than accept "The Gift" with blind faith.

give me the science first, the imperical evidence, or at least explain your experience with more than "fluffy" words like "trust me" or "believe."

once a long time ago in a far away place *giggle* i took a survey about spirituality and belief structures. now i've known i was "different" from my parents' ways and most other people all my life, but i didn't have vocabulary for what i knew to be true for me until i met someone who identified himself as a pagan. i didn't know what he meant, so i trotted off to the library (we still used those buildings back then for more than homeless shelters). i pulled book after book from the shelf and sat reading, jaw dropping wide open, eyes going all misty, filled suddenly with a true sense of belonging. (that survey btw resulted in finding the label "humanist" -- i wasn't happy with it, but...)

yeah, it's a fluffy story, but it is a fact. i found the vocabulary that matched my personal thinking -- and guess what? not one bit of it violated any of the Universal law that i'd learned in my science studies. NONE.

so still now, decades later, i get tweaked when someone starts spouting off about their "power" and their "workings" as if they have discovered some mystical energy source and are keeping it all selfishly secret. bah humbug! if it is real, provable, repeatable, they'll shout it from the hilltops.........or try to sell it to you.

keep the science first. keep it real. the rest, the belief system and the feelings of belonging to the Universe will follow. wobble around the fuzzy (fluffy) edges and there's gonna be a scientific pay back that ain't gonna be pretty.

i try very hard NOT to personify, but i imagine male and female energies (like matter and anti-matter) struggling in the balance for existence. somewhere in that stewpot is little old me....disturbing the mechanics and trying not to make too many waves. every time i skew over to one end of my yardstick or another, i get a clue-by-four upside the head. so i try to not make waves i'm not willing to swallow and choke on.

Current Mood: contemplative
Wednesday, October 20th, 2004
2:32 pm
I read a Samhain ritual recently that (naturally) invoked the Crone. It was quite beautiful, except for one part. What struck me as ridiculous was the prayer which asked the Crone to enfold her worshippers and keep them safe.

Isn't that rather like asking Medusa to look upon you kindly?

Current Mood: amused
Monday, October 18th, 2004
4:47 pm
non-magic human pagans?
It's been brought to my attention (twice now) that perhaps in addition to this being a non-magic pagan community, it should also be a non-otherkin pagan community. As one person put it, it seems that believing oneself to be some sort of mythical/magical creature is certainly a 'magical' way of thinking, if in the sense of 'being' rather than 'doing'.

Good idea? Can it be assumed that everyone here is on the same page about being human? If people already here seem to generally agree with this sentiment, I will amend the community info/rules to state this position. I'm personally all for the idea of not discussing otherkin, in addition to spells, etc.

Current Mood: accomplished
12:24 pm
I'd like to ask a question of all you lovely nonmagic pagans:

What do you see as the relationship between your gods and the universe? How do your deities interact with the world, with people, with nature?

For me, as a pantheist, I don't see the Divine as personal or anthropomorphic, though I believe that gods and goddesses are powerful archetypes. I believe that the Universe itself is "God," the ultimate Being, and that we, as parts of the Universe, are ourselves parts of God. My ritual practice helps me to express my connection to the Universe; it doesn't really matter to me whether It can "hear" me or not, but I'm refreshed by reminding myself that I'm part of this greatest thing.

Current Mood: curious
12:17 pm
It's nice to see this place. I've unsubscribed from almost all other pagan communities because I'm just so tired of "magickians" and "mystics" and "theurgists" and everything else that tries to make people special and different.

I just want to honor my gods before my household altar. I have no desire to be a seer, or a mage, or a clergy member. Making offerings and saying a few prayers - that's my practice in a nutshell. I just want to be a mundane practitioner.
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